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The lobby of high voltage warning signs disagrees.

Vito

Il giorno lun 7 gen 2019 alle ore 11:37 Yaroslav Blanter <ymb...@gmail.com>
ha scritto:

> Well, in 2019 people should already have come to the notion that blocking
> locally an acting steward is not really a good idea.
>
> Cheers
> Yaroslav
>
> On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 11:21 AM Vi to <vituzzu.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Because of a truly great idea
> > <
> >
> https://am.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E1%88%8D%E1%8B%A9:Log/block&page=%E1%8A%A0%E1%89%A3%E1%88%8D%3ATeles
> > >
> > the involved user's admin/bureaucrat access was revoked
> > <
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=rights&user=&page=Codex+Sinaiticus%40amwiki&wpdate=&tagfilter=&subtype=
> > >
> > by Marco Aurelio.
> >
> > Vito
> >
> > Il giorno lun 7 gen 2019 alle ore 11:02 Amir Sarabadani <
> > ladsgr...@gmail.com>
> > ha scritto:
> >
> > > Given the response on the talk page [1] I think it's clear violation of
> > > nondiscrimination policy [2]
> > >
> > > [1] "promotion of homosexuality will not be tolerated here nor will it
> be
> > > forced down our throats to suit anyone's international political agenda
> > if
> > > you expect Ethiopians to take part."
> > > [2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Nondiscrimination
> > >
> > > Best
> > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2019, 23:09 Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >  I note that we are talking about the block of one single user on one
> > > > single project; this particular account has thousands of edits over
> > > about a
> > > > dozen projects, but is "attached" to hundreds of Wikimedia projects.
> > The
> > > > majority of these "attached" accounts are likely because the editor
> > > > "visited" the various projects while logged in, activating the
> > automatic
> > > > account creation algorithm.  The account was created 8 years ago, and
> > has
> > > > actively edited a wide variety of  projects, including several
> > > wikipedias,
> > > > Commons, Wikidata, and Meta. While English Wikipedia is the account's
> > > > "home" wiki, about 55% of the account's global edits have been made
> on
> > > > Marathi Wikipedia. The Amharic Wikipedia account does not appear to
> > have
> > > > edited, which suggests that it was automatically created when the
> > editor
> > > > was "looking at" the project on 9  February 2018.  The block for
> > account
> > > > name was made on 22 October 2018.  I note that accounts were created
> on
> > > > over a hundred projects over the course of a few days in February
> 2018.
> > > >
> > > > The point being raised in this thread is that it appears this editor
> > was
> > > > blocked on one of the 381 wikis on which they have an account,
> > explicitly
> > > > because of the perception that their username calls attention to the
> > > sexual
> > > > behaviour of the editor. What we do not know is (a) whether that is
> in
> > > fact
> > > > a legitimate username block reason on Amharic Wikipedia, or (b) if it
> > is
> > > a
> > > > legitimate username block reason, *why* it would be a username block
> > > > reason. We don't know why this block was applied so long after the
> > > account
> > > > was created. We don't know the username policy on Amharic Wikipedia,
> > nor
> > > do
> > > > we know how it is applied; for example, we don't know if a username
> > like
> > > > "StraightGuy101" would be blocked.  We do know that there are only 4
> > > > administrators on Amharic Wikipedia, and that there are fewer than 50
> > > > active users working on the project, which may be part of the reason
> > for
> > > > the delay between automatic account creation and the account block.
> > > >
> > > > We also know that one of the challenges of single user login for all
> > > > Wikimedia projects has highlighted the fact that certain usernames
> that
> > > are
> > > > acceptable on some projects are blocked on other projects; we've
> known
> > > that
> > > > for years. We know that each project establishes its own policies
> when
> > it
> > > > comes to usernames. There are legitimate reasons why a username that
> is
> > > > acceptable in one language is not acceptable in another language,
> even
> > in
> > > > cases where the editor had no knowledge that the chosen username
> would
> > > be a
> > > > problem in another language. We do know that there have been lots of
> > > cases
> > > > where usernames have been blocked for "username policy violation" on
> > all
> > > > kinds of projects, despite the account operating productively on
> other
> > > > projects.
> > > >
> > > > I also note that there is nothing in this thread that confirms the
> > editor
> > > > themself has raised any concerns about this block, and I am always
> wary
> > > of
> > > > turning an editor into a "martyr for a cause" without their direct
> > > > agreement, as that can be as abusive as the original action. So the
> > first
> > > > step in this situation would be to confirm with the individual editor
> > > > whether or not they want their "case" to be examined.
> > > >
> > > > Should the editor be agreeable, I suggest that the next step is for
> > > someone
> > > > who has the ability to converse in Amharic to contact the Amharic
> > > Wikipedia
> > > > and find out why the block has been issued, how it is consistent with
> > the
> > > > username policy on Amharic Wikipedia, whether that policy is driven
> in
> > > part
> > > > by external considerations (e.g., does the project risk heavy
> > > governmental
> > > > scrutiny if it appears to "promote" locally unacceptable
> activities). I
> > > am
> > > > personally curious as to why it took over six months to identify that
> > > this
> > > > account did not meet the local username policy, and whether there was
> > > > internal or external discussion about the username.
> > > >
> > > > It is not clear to me what the desired outcome is in this case - at
> > least
> > > > in part because we have no idea of the opinion of the editor
> > involved.  I
> > > > am hard-pressed to say that a project should be required to allow
> > > usernames
> > > > that it has a long history of considering unacceptable, especially if
> > it
> > > is
> > > > applied evenly to all accounts; in this case, if it disallows
> usernames
> > > > that imply sexual preference regardless of what that preference is.
> > > >
> > > > It seems to me that the WMF Trust & Safety group would probably be
> the
> > > > right group to examine this.
> > > >
> > > > Risker/Anne
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 2 Jan 2019 at 09:42, Ariel Glenn WMF <ar...@wikimedia.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Additional notes:
> > > > > The user's regular page can be viewed on en wikipedia:
> > > > > free online bettinghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:QueerEcofeminist
> > > > > Queer may have to do with gender identity as opposed to being an
> > > > indicator
> > > > > of 'sexual behavior', so the blockers didn't even get that right.
> > > > Example:
> > > > > I am gender-nonconforming as to my gender identity and expression;
> > this
> > > > is
> > > > > the primary reason I use the label 'queer'.
> > > > >
> > > > > I believe this should be reported... somewhere. But I don't know
> > where.
> > > > The
> > > > > WMF CoC only covers technical spaces. A little help here?
> > > > >
> > > > > Ariel
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 4:26 PM F? <fae...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Do we have cross project policies to govern or limit local
> policies
> > > > > > for the use of sysop tools? I would like to pass on policy
> advice,
> > > and
> > > > > > any past cases folks here would like to highlight that set a
> > > > > > precedent.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The case below is illustrative, though based on my recall of
> > several
> > > > > > complaints which went nowhere over the years, on email lists, and
> > > > > > Jimmy's talk page, about apparently arbitrary blocks on different
> > > > > > non-English Wikipedias, it seems reasonable to believe those
> > > > > > complaints are the tip of the iceberg, and there are likely to be
> > > many
> > > > > > historical cases of blocks that could have been appealed... had
> the
> > > > > > user been confident to complain in English, and have the energy
> to
> > > > > > pursue generic WMF policies on terms of use, or
> > > > > > harassment/discrimination, to establish a meta-level case.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > # Example case
> > > > > >
> > > > > > An account block on the Amharic Wikipedia (am.wp) was flagged up
> > > > > > yesterday on the WM LGBT+ Telegram discussion group.[3] The
> > rationale
> > > > > > for blocking the account was because the account name includes
> the
> > > > > > word "Queer"[1]. The incident raises questions about process and
> > > > > > accountability, particularly as the block gives the impression
> that
> > > > > > this is the norm or an agreed interpretation of policy for sysops
> > on
> > > > > > am.wp, and because the user is well established using this
> account
> > > > > > name across Wikimedia projects and has never edited am.wp so the
> > > block
> > > > > > cannot be based on any prior action or dispute.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In this example there is no obvious process for appeal, if sysops
> > on
> > > > > > that project think that blocking any LGBT+ related account name
> > > > > > represents local consensus. After off-wiki discussion, the WMF
> > Trust
> > > > > > and Safety team has been approached for advice,[2] as the
> rationale
> > > > > > for the action appears hostile to any openly LGBT+ volunteers who
> > > > > > might want to include something queer looking in their account
> name
> > > > > > (such as my account name, should anyone want to read it as
> > > transgender
> > > > > > related).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > # Links
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://am.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%88%8D%E1%8B%A9:Contributions/QueerEcofeminist
> > > > > > ;
> > > > > > the block log states "Names calling attention to your sexual
> > behavior
> > > > > > have never been allowed here in 15 years and aren't suddenly
> > allowed
> > > > > > in 2018"
> > > > > > 2. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Trust_and_Safety
> > > > > > 3. https://telegram.me/wmlgbt
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > Fae
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
> > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_LGBT+
> > > > > >
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