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Mon, 14 Jan 2019 10:56:28 -0800

Hi Lodewijk -

I don't think you're mis-translating; I think that there's just a different
understanding of the terms between projects.  Most other projects didn't
get saddled with the extensions that used the actual term "hiding" that
English Wikipedia had, so wouldn't have had a reason to use the more
precise terminology that is used there.

It appears that when you are speaking of "hiding", you are referring to
revision-deletion.  From that perspective, revision-deletion or page
deletion is used on English Wikipedia for almost all copyright violations.
The enwiki policy is here:  <
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Revision_deletion#Criteria_for_redaction>


Risker/Anne

On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 13:20, effe iets anders <effeietsand...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks for those questions.
>
> Just as clarification, I'm talking about hiding revisions with the effect
> that the revisions are greyed out in the history, but that admins can still
> see their content. But I realize that oversight policies (the effect of
> oversight is stronger) may be more prominent, and that perhaps the
> ecosystem of different options should be considered in such a question :) .
>
> Thanks Anne for clarifying terminology - I am mostly aware with the
> terminology we use in Dutch, so may mistranslate some things.
>
> Lodewijk
>
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 10:13 AM Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think one of the issues here is that we are not all using the same
>> terminology.
>>
>> "Hiding", on English Wikipedia, is generally reserved for some weird
>> extensions that had to have special features built in because
>> revision-deletion, deletion, and suppression did not work with them.  I
>> think all of those extensions are now disabled on English Wikipedia.
>>
>> "Revision-deletion" (which has the effect of removing a revision from the
>> view of the reading public and users who are not administrators or
>> equivalent) or complete page deletion is used for most copyright violations
>> on English Wikipedia.  Copyright violations should not be publicly
>> available, since it does not meet even the most basic requirements of edits
>> to the project; I have a hard time seeing why any project would leave them
>> in the page history, since that is the equivalent of leaving them in the
>> project.
>>
>> "Suppression" is an even higher-level form of revision-deletion that
>> removes the revision from the view of everyone except oversighters.  It
>> replaced the old "oversight" extension in 2009, and it is my understanding
>> that all of the revisions that were historically removed using the
>> oversight tool have now been returned to page history and suppressed.
>> (There are some exceptions.) Suppression is used on English Wikipedia for
>> most personal information, which can include anything listed in the WMF
>> privacy policy.
>>
>> There are variations in the use of the deletion/suppression tools: for
>> example, since 2009 we have been able to either "delete" or "suppress"
>> usernames and edit summaries that are highly inappropriate. The ability to
>> "suppress" usernames is sometimes used when someone edits while logged out,
>> not realizing their IP address will appear in the history.
>>
>> I suspect that English Wikipedia has lower thresholds for both
>> revision-deletion and suppression because it has historically been the
>> project that is most abused, sometimes in ways that I'd be hesitant to
>> publicly describe.
>>
>>
>> Risker/Anne
>> (English Wikipedia oversighter)
>>
>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 12:29, effe iets anders <effeietsand...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> This is one of these things that seems particularly hard to find, so I'd
>>> like to pick your collective brains on this:
>>>
>>> What are the various policies across our little universe on using the
>>> 'hide
>>> version' functionality to hide historical versions of articles? I would
>>> especially appreciate it if you could elaborate a bit on how it's used in
>>> practice with regards to privacy violations (what is the threshold of
>>> private information that would justify hiding versions) and copyright
>>> violations (when do you actually hide the versions, rather than just
>>> remove
>>> it from the current version and leave it in the history).
>>>
>>> Are there any global policies on this? I think not, but always better to
>>> double check :).
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Lodewijk
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