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Wed, 16 Jan 2019 11:57:40 -0800

+1 to what Lane says.

I will not comment here on whether or not a specific user should be removed from the list, but I do feel that a survey like this one should not be sent to this list, especially from only one person without any apparent peer vetting etc. I would generally support considered actions from list moderators to reduce the number of notifications like this one.

-Pete

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[[User:Peteforsyth]] on meta etc.


On 1/16/19 11:04 AM, Lane Rasberry wrote:
Risker raises the point of moderating research requests. I do not want to
comment on this survey in particular, but in general, many researchers
target the wiki community continually. We do not have community capacity to
endlessly complete surveys, and I would like survey moderation.

Access to the wiki community is a privilege because we all pay a cost when
anyone makes a request for time, attention, and labor. Wiki community time
is not an unlimited free asset for the world to solicit.

Here is a live discussion about this centered on something I wrote.
free online bettinghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(idea_lab)#Background

here it is archived.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(idea_lab)&oldid=878717026#Background

James, I appreciate your interest in research. I do wish you would register
your research and conform to
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:New_project
but currently, we have no wiki community rules that say for people to
register research. If anyone is upset about your research, then I wish that
the response to be to set general policy and practices for the many
surveyors and researchers seeking labor from Wiki community spaces and not
only look at this one channel, and this one survey.

thanks -


On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 1:48 PM James Salsman <jsals...@gmail.com> wrote:

The "agenda" is shared by a majority of the survey respondents so far.
Why are these questions so offensive to the vocal minority who have
demanded that they not be discussed? Many nonprofit organizations
depending on volunteer labor advocates for social changes in support
of those volunteers, including by lobbying.




On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 10:05 AM Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote:
I regret to say that I feel James has abused this forum once again for
his
own personal agenda, much of which is unrelated even indirectly to the
WMF
or the Wikimedia movement. Further, I feel that he has done so in a way
that is deceptive to members of this mailing list, and that his actions
are
an abuse of the trust of the members of this mailing list.

Generally speaking, I'm pretty tolerant of people bringing different
perspectives and ideas to this mailing list; however, I believe this is a
step too far for someone who has been asked in the past on multiple
occasions to stay on topic.  I am not sure that James needs to remain a
contributor to this list.

Risker/Anne

On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 at 11:56, James Salsman <jsals...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 1:23 AM Kevin Payravi <kevinpayr...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I've heard confusion from a couple folks and want to make sure it's
clear
here that this survey is coming from you as an individual, Jim, and
has
no
origination or coordination with the Foundation - correct?
Yes, the survey is just from me, not the Foundation. I'm trying to
encourage the Executive Director to bring back the "Letter to Donors"
which was discontinued for reasons unknown, but not the explanation
given to me at the time, that it was forbidden by law:

https://twitter.com/jsalsman/status/998272655995240449
https://twitter.com/SuePGardner/status/998302792946102273

On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 3:44 AM Dan Garry (Deskana) <djgw...@gmail.com
wrote:
... (free healthcare, universal basic income, etc.) have very little
to
do with the Foundation's mission.
That is precisely the matter of opinion which the survey measures. The
idea that the abundance of contributors would not increase under the
proposals is clearly not shared by most, and whether that means
contributors would therefore be "empowered" by them is subjective.

On Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 8:21 PM James Salsman <jsals...@gmail.com
wrote:
Happy 18th birthday to Wikipedia!

What does it mean for the Wikimedia Foundation to empower
contributors? Please share your opinion of what the Wikimedia
Foundation's mission statement means when it describes empowering
people to collect and develop educational content:

http://bit.ly/wikimission

The survey results are summarized after form submission.

Best regards,
Jim Salsman
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